Note to Self (and Everyone):
Mar. 4th, 2010 08:18 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
shinyglorchanDear DC Comics,
I am never buying another comic from you. Technically, I haven't bought comics for a long time, but now? Never. Again. After who you JUST FRIDGED FOR THE ANGST! I'm not gonna read it unless I'm in the mood to be a masochist, and when someone tells me they want to read Battle for the Cowl to get the BAD TASTE OUT OF THEIR MOUTH... *sigh*
No Love Ever Again,
One Angry Un-Fan
P.S. If you don't know what I'm talking about, lucky you.
(Comments may contain spoilers for OUTRAGE and TEARS.)
...oh and I don't know if I'm shaking from rage or if I woke up too early. Lets go with rage and anguish.
I am never buying another comic from you. Technically, I haven't bought comics for a long time, but now? Never. Again. After who you JUST FRIDGED FOR THE ANGST! I'm not gonna read it unless I'm in the mood to be a masochist, and when someone tells me they want to read Battle for the Cowl to get the BAD TASTE OUT OF THEIR MOUTH... *sigh*
No Love Ever Again,
One Angry Un-Fan
P.S. If you don't know what I'm talking about, lucky you.
(Comments may contain spoilers for OUTRAGE and TEARS.)
...oh and I don't know if I'm shaking from rage or if I woke up too early. Lets go with rage and anguish.
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Date: 2010-03-04 01:46 pm (UTC)Unlike you, though, I was still buying books up to this point, though I was becoming more and more careful with my money - trying to vote with my dollars for books that were actually still good.
I am just so sick of this mentality DC seems to have lately of Fuck The Fans. They're killing off their characters left and right, turning the ones they keep into unrecognizable emo and dickery machines... The treatment of women has been getting progressively worse for the last few years, too.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the trend started with them killing everyone Tim loved and turning Cassie from a strong and independent female superhero into someone who didn't care about anything but her boyfriend.
No, wait. They fucked Cass before that.
I seriously have comics from when Lian was *tiny.* She's been a fixture in the universe for as long as I've been seriously collecting comics. She didn't deserve to be fridged.
I said something about it on the DC boards because I wanted The Powers That Be to know that I was stopping my purchases and why, and I got told by someone there that WiR was overrated and the term fridging is passe. I shut the window instead of raising my blood pressure further by getting involved in a wank war. I wasn't going to sway anyone with my ten page long essay on the mistreatment of female characters for cheap angst.
Congratulations, DC. I'm pretty sure you just set some kind of record for the number of female fans driven away from your company by a single page of a comic.
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Date: 2010-03-04 02:21 pm (UTC)I never thought I'd say this, but whoever wrote this shit? He is worse than Morrison, Daniel, and maybe Miller combined. At least they don't fridge CHILDREN. Ugh.
Ugh, DC boards. Really? It's not the term fridged that they should be concentrating on. IT'S THE FACT THEY KILLED A 10 YEAR OLD THAT'S BEEN IN DC FOR NEARLY 25 YEARS! >:O
I don't think fixing Jason to how I envision him will even make me forgive them. And that's saying a lot. God. I think I need to read some Cap. Marvel, here I come.
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Date: 2010-03-04 04:34 pm (UTC)When a hero dies, they die heroically. Well, usually. What they did to J'onn was nothing short of a travesty. When they kill the loved ones of a hero, they die pointless deaths and they don't get to come back.
Justine wanted to know if another letter writing campaign would save her...I said no. Now, it might. But first we'd have to deal with the storyline of Armless Roy descending into hell to get her or selling his soul to Neron - You know they would. We got Steph back when they fridged her, but did it in a way that made her and Bruce betray Tim even *more* and completely ruined her character for me, because I don't want to love a character who could do that to someone she loved. They made Cass uncrazy with a stupid storyline that didn't even make any sense and tried to pretend that's what they'd envisioned all along, instead of it being the product of bad writing.
We joke a lot that they out to let us write the books, but *seriously*. I'm pretty sure we love them more than DC does.
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Date: 2010-03-04 05:40 pm (UTC)That's when I quit buying DC. Every time I think it might be time to ocme back, they pull some bullshit like this.
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Date: 2010-03-04 02:07 pm (UTC)They killed LIAN!? ~O_O~
HOLY FUCKING CHRIST! >_<
DC can go right the fuck to hell.
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Date: 2010-03-04 02:15 pm (UTC)...yeah, at this point, even if they fixed Jason to how envision him...? They won't be getting my money. Marvel, on the other hand... They haven't pissed me off yet.
Also, I'm texting Bek to tell her not to go on LJ today until I talk to her after work. I wanna break it to her on the phone. >>;;
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Date: 2010-03-04 02:25 pm (UTC)Thank gods I stopped actually buying comics from them over a year ago. I just don't understand how they could think all this shit they keep pulling would make the fans actually WANT to read their crap. >_< Fucking bastards.
*hugs you and Bek tight* :(
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Date: 2010-03-04 02:34 pm (UTC)I think the last comic I bought was Red Robin. I think I wanna but Marvel comics in spite (and for Bucky/Steve that is everywhere, yum).
*hugs back for both her and Bek* Like I'm positive this Bek's breaking point for the comics too. :/
Though, pervy has plans of having a Lian meme...? And I'm make ALL FIVE of my comment_fic requests today for Lian. Roy and Lian are taking a trip to Marvel Universe. Yup.
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Date: 2010-03-04 02:35 pm (UTC)It makes me angry as fuck that they actually went ahead and did it but it also wasn't like we didn't know it was coming either. There have been hints for months now that this was what was going to happen. I posted about it on my journal that this was my suspicion. I'm glad I trusted my gut and didn't build up all this hope that Lian was going to live through this shit.
DC just... doesn't get it. They don't get that females read comics too. It's depressing and hurtful and just fucking painful what they did to Lian the reasons they did it for just make me want to cry.
As much as I hate to admit it though I'm interested in what the fallout is going to be. I WANT to see Roy's reaction! I WANT to see how the rest of the heroes react. I know my still continuing to read sends the wrong message to the company but I just got back into comics after 2 years hiatus because of Blackest Night and Batman and Robin and I'm honestly not ready to stop again so soon. I also want to see Bruce back in the Bat cowl here soon so that's another reason I'm hanging around. It finally feels like the company is doing something right for a change. At least to me, and yes I know it's at the expense of its females. Maybe that makes me a bad woman, I dunno.
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Date: 2010-03-04 02:47 pm (UTC)They don't get it at all. Next time I see Didio, I'm asking how they could kill a 10 year old for angst and do they respect female fans at all? Actually, on another note, they don't respect gays either. Every gay man in DCU had been on the wrong side of the good/evil spectrum. It's wrong, and they're terrible people.
I don't blame you for still supporting titles that make you happy. If I had money, I might have been supporting Red Robin and Batgirl, at least, but I don't have a comic job anymore with a discount, so I just can't do it.
And yes, we knew this was coming, and that's almost worse. Some of us thought they couldn't possibly be that cruel to a character that's been around longer than the last 3 Robins and a majority of the now Titans. Hell, she's almost been around since Wally became Flash and Dick became Nightwing. She's existed through A LOT. Ugh. And you know, I think DC is just gonna kill another long standing 'minor' character in Red Robin next week. No respect, whatsoever, it's all for the angst.
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Date: 2010-03-05 12:22 am (UTC)Honestly, me too. I'm rageful and angry and it makes me want to stab things, but I will be reading Roy's book. Because I loved Lian with my whole heart, but I love Roy, too. And if my opinions about where they are taking him are true, I want to read that, cry, and bid him farewell. Then write a bunch of terrible fan fic about it.
Of course, it's turned me off the whole JLA with Robinson, so there's that, too.
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Date: 2010-03-05 01:08 pm (UTC)I'm still on the fence about JLA. My heart says give it up but at the same time I love how he's writing Dick, and Donna. It's the most competent portrayal of Dick as Batman out there at the moment (IMHO) and seeing him back in a leadership role with a couple of Titans under him just makes me happy. I have a month till the next issue comes out so i'll see. I definitely want to read the JLA Rise and Fall tie in that comes out next week though. As I said I want to see the fallout from all this.
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Date: 2010-03-04 02:55 pm (UTC)I feel physically ill and emotionally numb. DC, seriously. Do y'all even have brains?
My god, I... I can't think of anything to say. Which means this is totally fucked.
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Date: 2010-03-04 03:04 pm (UTC)And if the JLA really do anything to Ollie for killing the killer? I'll be backing Ollie 100%. I'm sick of the sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier than thou attitude from some heroes. Bruce does not help this, and if he says ANYTHING to Ollie like that when he comes back, he can go back and die. >>;;
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Date: 2010-03-04 04:18 pm (UTC)This, so hard. Yes, killing is a slippery slope. Yeah, it's tricky when there's the vigilante business thrown in. But, you know, there are limits. There are crowbars.
I think this is Ollie's crowbar.
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Date: 2010-03-04 03:43 pm (UTC)Marvel may have screwed with us for a year, but at least they're trying to put it back together.
Makes me glad to be in the Uk, where I can't easily give them money unless they publish tradepaper backs.
With that in mind, can I ask what their logic was? The stuff with Jason, Tim and Damian at a push I can understand but Lian? Please explain.
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Date: 2010-03-04 03:52 pm (UTC)So yes. I'm backing Ollie against the JLA, sanctimonious bastards I'm sure they'll be.
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Date: 2010-03-04 04:44 pm (UTC)I don't care about the fucking story. >.< Everyone's all interested in the story, but that's what the tactic is. They're trying to drive up buzz.
No. In my head, Lian and Milagro and the West twins just started a new YJ with Damian and Sin. Milagro and Damian both think they are in charge and fight about it a lot, but Lian is totally the boss and the others know it. They have wacky adventures. Damian will continue to be an asshole, but it will be mediated, so that he will be a lovable asshole. Milagro will hit him when this happens.
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Date: 2010-03-04 11:52 pm (UTC)In my head, it'd be the West twins, Lian, Damian, and a reformed Scarlet. Milargo and Sin would make good additions too. XD
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Date: 2010-03-04 08:28 pm (UTC)I think Ollie's got reason to.I like iesika take. Why doesn't DC talk to it's fans? it's not like we're not vocal!
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Date: 2010-03-04 03:53 pm (UTC)Man, I'm angry.
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Date: 2010-03-04 04:30 pm (UTC)I simply can't believe it!!
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Date: 2010-03-04 04:41 pm (UTC)I used to be a Marvel-only girl, and I'm hating you just a little bit today for making me care at all about these people. (I really couldn't hate you for hooking me on DCU, I've enjoyed the fandom too much, but this hurts.)
My new canon is going to be that Lian isn't dead, she simply got sent to another multiverse where she's being raised by her (Precrisis)Uncle Jason until they can be retconned back with some major editorial housecleaning at DC.
DC: "And the angst we usually give Tim Drake, will be given to Roy Harper, this year."
Date: 2010-03-04 04:41 pm (UTC)My Dad told me something interesting a few years ago when The Philadelphia Eagles decided to cut Brian Dawkins, a fan favorite, but aging and less effective Free Safety. I was really upset. I'd been watching Brian Dawkins make tackles, sacks and interceptions for it seemed like 10 years, and he was the highlight of my Sundays. Anyway, my dad told me, 'You can't fall in love with your team, Sam.' And it's an interesting point. Obviously, one really shouldn't compare comics to football; they have zero similarities, but should we as readers learn to distance ourselves from these attachments we naturally form to characters? I feel like this is what DC is teaching us... not to care. And I have a problem with that most of all.
It's not so much the deaths I have a problem with. These characters are superheros. Which means they face supervillians. Deaths are bound to accumulate, right? I mean, the good guys can't win all the time and there have to be consequences for these battles. Law of averages, I suppose?
My problem lies with the fact that people keep coming back, essentially making their deaths meaningless. It's tired and hackneyed and played out. And it can also be noted that females are few and far between and they receive the death ticket more then males, but, I honestly don't view it that way and I'm the first to admit I think feminism is used as a crutch a lot of the time.
That being said. I feel helplessly guilty when I download comics. Like, really really bad. More so when I illegally download music, or illegally watch TV shows. I just feel guilty. Maybe it's because I know that comic books are a dying breed and that makes me sad. Maybe it's because I know how little comic book writers actually make. I get why people do it; one can't possibly keep up with all the titles and still... ya know, feed themselves. It's just not feasible. But to say you aren't ever going to buy a comic again? You have way more will power then I do, my friend! I see the pretty colors and the shiny splash pages and I kind of melt a bit. I love the tangibility of comic books. Reading them online has never had the same feeling to me.
Re: DC: "And the angst we usually give Tim Drake, will be given to Roy Harper, this year."
Date: 2010-03-04 04:41 pm (UTC)Ahem... Yeah. I also think that good things are in store for DCU and not all hope is lost. Didio is taking a back seat and Geoff 'I am the shit' Johns is creative director. Seriously. This really can only mean good things, right? We have Blackest Night wrapping up and Brightest Day ready to kick off... Bruce is coming back and we can hope Morrison is having good plot bunnies with that, because the art looks -amazing-.
I'm also trying to focus on what I really have been loving, like Red Robin and Streets of Gotham, complete with Manhunter second feature(whom I f'love, btw). I think Teen Titans is getting back on track, with Beast Boy and Raven there, and the return of Kon. I love that Ray Palmer is actually getting a storyline. GLC and GL have both been epically good. And I have faith that, with the animated Jason Todd movie coming out, that Jason Todd will hopefully be given another storyline soon (hopefully with black hair, not that I don't like gingers, mind you, cause I love em'... but Robins are supposed to have black hair, darn it!).
Don't take any offense to what I said. It's hard to read what people mean as sincere opinions verses just... snark. I respect your opinions, even agree with most of them, this had just been weighing on my since I read the book last night and people kept bringing it up in there posts and I just had to get it all out of my system.
<3
Re: DC: "And the angst we usually give Tim Drake, will be given to Roy Harper, this year."
Date: 2010-03-04 05:25 pm (UTC)Honestly there were parts of CFJ I did like. For example (and I'm paraphrasing from my sometimes faulty memory) in one of the issues (1?) where Hal is emoting and is going to storm off on his own. Ollie goes with him after a bit of dialog in which Ollie refers to Hal as "Baby" and something about always being on his side. I loved that bit, because I think Ollie is more faithful to Hal than Dinah.
Re: DC: "And the angst we usually give Tim Drake, will be given to Roy Harper, this year."
Date: 2010-03-04 05:52 pm (UTC)I myself feel that same trepidation, with one, Tim Drake.
Ollie goes with him after a bit of dialog in which Ollie refers to Hal as "Baby" and something about always being on his side.
Hehe, I know! I loved that. The bromance between those two makes me feel gooey inside.
CFJ didn't really do it for me. I liked the idea that there was this big!bad fucking with the guys from far away and that you didn't actually get to see him until the very end, but the a lot of the story was poorly executed, in my opinion. I rarely feel like mini series are ever worth it (with the exception of Blackest Night, which is in way more epic of a scale).
Who knows, maybe we'll see Lian again someday. I mean, this is comic book land. Much like soap opera land, people come back from the dead, have evil twins and turn out to be someone else's kid entirely (yup, I'm looking at you, Damian "Wayne").
Re: DC: "And the angst we usually give Tim Drake, will be given to Roy Harper, this year."
Date: 2010-03-04 06:34 pm (UTC)Plot bunny just bit me. Damian is actually a clone of Jason's that Talia created while she had him in the pit. That's a soap worthy plot.
Re: DC: "And the angst we usually give Tim Drake, will be given to Roy Harper, this year."
Date: 2010-03-04 11:51 pm (UTC)THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE DEEP DOWN IN MY HEART. HOW DID YOU KNOW??
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Date: 2010-03-04 06:47 pm (UTC)WHAT?!
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Date: 2010-03-04 06:55 pm (UTC)GRANTED WHAT THEY DID DID MAKE ME RAGE WITH THE INTENSITY OF ONE THOUSAND BURNING HOT SUNS. Thankfully what it was linked to/all the characters affected was Shit I Don't Care About anymore anyway but it still didn't lessen the hurt. I am going to stick by my good writers
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Date: 2010-03-04 09:52 pm (UTC)I'm an LGBT male who far prefers to read/write about female characters. I sincerely doubt DC is trying to appeal to me in any way. :p
That being said, I actually didn't really pick up on this as an example of WIR. When you take this with the death of Cerdian, Robert Long, and Peter and MJ's two dead babies (if you count the devil-induced abortion), this starts to look like a whole different phenomenon - kids in refrigerators, if you will. :/
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Date: 2010-03-05 11:21 am (UTC)REX ARE YOU AS SAD AS I AM? WE HAVE TO KEEP WRITING LIAN/MILAGRO.
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